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	Rhino Boxset ( on: 09/09/08 at 21:28:29)
Hey All, I'm new here and thought I'd join in the fun! Anyway...I heard about the Oxford DVD and saw the footage from the 70's, but my question is Oxford says the rest of the footage is due out on a Rhino Box Set at the end of the year. I couldn't find much more info. more info? Supposedly its all 3 albums remastered, a crapload of demos/unreleased stuff and a dvd of the entire footage. Anybody know anything about this Also, what's up with the Big Star movie?? I saw the trailer a year or so ago, but the link on the Wikipedia page is dead and I can't find any info.... Logged

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #1 on: 09/10/08 at 03:04:35)
on 09/09/08 at 21:28:29, tron wrote: Hey All, I'm new here and thought I'd join in the fun! Anyway...I heard about the Oxford DVD and saw the footage from the 70's, but my question is Oxford says the rest of the footage is due out on a Rhino Box Set at the end of the year. I couldn't find much more info. more info? Supposedly its all 3 albums remastered, a crapload of demos/unreleased stuff and a dvd of the entire footage. Anybody know anything about this Also, what's up with the Big Star movie?? I saw the trailer a year or so ago, but the link on the Wikipedia page is dead and I can't find any info.... read quoted post Great info tron. A box set would be great! I didn't read that when i bought the Oxford dvd. Last I knew Scott Lane was working on a Big Star movie and then as of a few years ago - there was no communication from him. I assume he's dropped it now. Then I thought someone else picked up the ball and was going to do a more straight ahead documentary on the band. So who knows And welcome aboard! Logged Every night I tell myself "I am the cosmos"..., am I weird or what? Last modification: Rhett - 09/10/08 at 03:05:00

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #2 on: 09/14/08 at 11:40:33)
The OxAm "Best of the South" issue mentioned a "Rhino Box Set," but didn't even specify whether it was a box set about Big Star or not. I looked all over the Rhino web site 2 weeks ago, but to no avail. Rhino does compilation boxes, and that footage could end up on a "Power Pop Box," for all I can tell. Also, OxAm could have printed an inaccuracy-it also stated that all of that Big Star film footage was silent, when we know that at least some of it has sound because of the Jovanovic book and its transcription of some of the dialogue. Has Rhino since updated their web side to include information on a "Big Star Box Set?" Logged

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #3 on: 09/14/08 at 15:43:29)
What I know of past releases on Rhino - is that Rhino doesn't always give months in advance of upcoming releases. Sometimes it's not until the month of that Rhino will list the product. Just my .02 observation... Logged Every night I tell myself "I am the cosmos"..., am I weird or what?

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #4 on: 09/17/08 at 02:27:06)
on 09/14/08 at 15:43:29, Rhett wrote: What I know of past releases on Rhino - is that Rhino doesn't always give months in advance of upcoming releases. Sometimes it's not until the month of that Rhino will list the product. Just my .02 observation... read quoted post It's not just Rhino who is in the dark about this alleged box set. No one seems to have any infomation on this box set anywhere, except for the OxAm reference and tron. What was tron's source? Logged

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #5 on: 09/18/08 at 21:07:24)
I emailed Danielle and the others about the movie but I never heard back from them. ...this was months ago. Logged

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #6 on: 06/08/09 at 21:09:45)
I see there is a review of the new box set on this site: http://talkaboutpoppopmusic.blogspot.com/ It looks groovy! ...lots of rare recordings. No mention of the films from last summer. I thought that was gonna be on there too. I always wondered when somebody was going to release the famous Jan. '73 live show at the Lafayette Room in Memphis. This is the famous show that is discussed in the book by Jovanovic. Logged

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #7 on: 06/09/09 at 10:43:28)
I'm curious to compare the track listings for the box set and it's versions to the tracks that are already out there such as these: 01. Little Girl (V. Morrison) 1:55 02. Just Like Me (Dey/Hart) 2:13 03. And My Baby’s Gone (Laine/Pinder) 2:24 04. I’ll Go Crazy (Brown) 2:24 THE JYNX “Greatest Hits” 1965 05. One After 909 (Lennon/McCartney) 3:04 06. Psychedelic Stuff (Bell) - original mix 1994 2:57 07. Psychedelic Stuff (Bell) - alternate guitar mix 2008 2:46 CHRIS BELL with TERRY MANNING 1968 - 1969 08. Guess Things Happen That Way (Clement) 3:24 09. Trashy Dog (Manning) 3:01 10. Wild Wild Rocker (Manning) 2:29 TERRY MANNING “Home Sweet Home” 1969 11. Free Again (Chilton) 2:33 12. Free Again (Chilton) - original mono mix 2008 2:46 13. Every Day As We Grow Closer (Chilton) 2:25 14. Every Day As We Grow Closer (Chilton) - original mono mix 2008 2:27 15. C’mon Honey (Chilton) 3:29 16. Happy Song (Chilton) 2:03 17. Pain (Chilton) 3:20 18. All I Really Want Is Money (Chilton) 5:00 19. I Wish I Could Meet Elvis (Chilton) 3:15 20. The EMI Song (Smile For Me) (Chilton) 3:54 21. The EMI Song (Smile For Me) (Chilton) - original mono mix 2008 3:55 22. Just To See You (Chilton) 3:38 23. Sugar, Sugar (Kim/Barry) - incomplete version 2:45 ALEX CHILTON with TERRY MANNING & RICHARD ROSEBROUGH 1969 - 1970 24. All I See Is You (Bell/Rhea) 3:30 25. Feeling High (Bell/Rhea/Manning) 3:18 26. Feel (Bell/Chilton) 3:43 ICEWATER 1969 01. Think It’s Time To Say Goodbye (Eubanks) 4:02 02. I Lost Your Love (Eubanks) 3:16 03. The Wind Will Cry For Me (Eubanks) 3:07 04. My Life Is Right (Bell/Eubanks) 3:07 05. Lovely Lady (Eubanks) 3:12 06. The Answer (Eubanks) 3:32 07. Introduction (Bell/Eubanks/Stephens) 1:50 08. Sunday Organ (Manning) 3:16 09. The Preacher (Bell/Eubanks) 3:38 10. Shine On Me (Eubanks) 2:30 11. Try Again (Bell/Chilton) 3:49 ROCK CITY 1969 - 1970 12. Country Morn [Watch The Sunrise] (Bell) 3:14 CHRIS BELL 1969 13. Feel (Bell/Chilton) - rough mix w/alternate guitar track 3:39 14. The Ballad Of El Goodo (Bell/Chilton) - rough mix w/alternate vocals 4:31 15. The Ballad Of El Goodo (Bell/Chilton) - alternate mix 4:27 16. My Life Is Right (Bell/Eubanks) - alternate mix w/intro 3:22 17. My Life Is Right (Bell/Eubanks) - alternate mix 2008 3:23 18. In The Street (Bell/Chilton) - rough mix w/alternate guitar 2:56 19. In The Street (Bell/Chilton) - 45” single version 2:58 20. In The Street (Bell/Chilton) - 45” single version 2008 mix 3:01 21. Thirteen (Bell/Chilton) - alternate mix 2:44 22. Don’t Lie To Me (Bell/Chilton) - rough mix 3:14 23. When My Baby’s Beside Me (Bell/Chilton) - alternate mix 3:28 24. Give Me Another Chance (Bell/Chilton) - rough mix w/alternate guitar 3:29 BIG STAR “# 1 Record” 1972 Logged Every night I tell myself "I am the cosmos"..., am I weird or what?

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #8 on: 06/09/09 at 10:43:42)
01. Another Time, Another Place And You (unknown) - instrumental 2:28 02. There Was A Life (Bell/Chilton) - rough mix 3:39 03. I Got Kinda Lost (Bell/Chilton) - demo 3:51 04. I Got Kinda Lost (Bell/Chilton) - demo 2008 mix 3:11 05. Gone With The Light (Bell/Chilton) - demo 2:51 06. Motel Blues (L. Wainwright Jr.) - demo 3:07 07. O My Soul (Bell/Chilton) - rough mix w/alternate vocals 5:22 08. O My Soul (Bell/Chilton) - 45” single version 2:50 09. Way Out West (Hummel) - rough mix w/alternate vocals 2:49 10. You Get What You Deserve (Chilton) - rough mix 3:06 11. Mod Lang (Chilton/Rosebrough) - rough mix w/alternate vocals 2:46 12. Mod Lang (Chilton/Rosebrough) - alternate mix 2008 2:46 13. Back Of A Car (Chilton/Hummel) - demo 2008 mix 2:47 14. Daisy Glaze (Chilton/Hummel/Stephens) - demo 3:45 15. She’s A Mover (Chilton) - alternate take 3:15 16. She’s A Mover (Chilton) - alternate take 2008 mix 3:09 17. September Gurls (Chilton) - 2008 mix 2:57 18. Morpha Too (Chilton) - rough mix 1:29 19. Instrumental (unknown) - instrumental 2:48 BIG STAR “RADIO CITY” 1974 20. The Walking Dead (Chilton) - demo 4:17 21. Lovely Day [Stroke It Noel] (Chilton) - demo 1:51 22. Lovely Day [Stroke It Noel] (Chilton) - demo 2008 mix 1:46 23. Big Black Car (Chilton/Gage) - demo 2008 mix 4:35 24. Downs (Chilton) - demo 2008 mix 1:27 BIG STAR “THIRD/SISTER LOVERS” 1975 01. For You (Stephens) - original acetate mix 2008 2:43 02. Kizza Me (Chilton) - original acetate mix 2008 2:43 03. Holocaust (Chilton) - original acetate mix 2008 1:27 04. Thank You Friends (Chilton) - original acetate mix 2008 3:08 BIG STAR “THIRD/SISTER LOVERS” 1975 05. She Might Look My Way (Hoehn/Chilton) - demo; Chilton vocals 2:18 06. She Might Look My Way (Hoehn/Chilton) - Hoehn vocal 2:30 07. All Of The Time (Aldridge/Chilton) - Bell plays 2nd guitar solo & timbales 2:47 08. Girl (Hoehn/Tiven) - Bell co-produced 2:47 09. She Might Look My Way (Hoehn/Chilton) - no B.S. member on track 2:26 10. Love You All Day Long (Hoehn/Clark/Tiven) - Bell co-producer, lead guitar backing vocals 3:02 11. Love You All Day Long (Hoehn/Clark/Tiven) - alternate mix 2008 3:07 12. Everytime I Close My Eyes (Tiven) - Chilton background vocals 1:44 13. Take Me Home And Make Me Like It (Tiven/Chilton/Graflund/DeLuca/Davis) - background vocals & piano 2:39 14. Make A Scene (Bell) - alternate mix 4:11 15. The Love That I Love (Duren/Stephens) - demo 2:09 16. The Love That I Love (Duren/Stephens) - no B.S. member on track 3:12 17. Andy, Please (Duren/Stephens) - demo 2:26 18. Andy, Please (Duren/Stephens) - no B.S. member on track 2:58 19. For You (Stephens) - demo 2:31 20. So Glad To See You (Duren) - Stephens vocal 2:30 21. Grow Yourself Up (Duren) - demo 4:19 22. Grown Boy (Duren) - Stephens vocal 1:59 23. Where You Belong (Duren) - demo 2:12 24. Long, Long, Road (Duren) - demo 3:36 25. Cuba (Bell/Duren) - no B.S. member on track 3:35 26. You And Your Sister (Bell) - Bell & Chilton duet vocal 3:14 27. Hot Thing (Auer/Chilton/Jackson/Love/Stephens/Stringfellow) 4:17 BIG STAR’s scattered pieces - tracks 5 - 27 1975 - 2003 Logged Every night I tell myself "I am the cosmos"..., am I weird or what?

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #9 on: 06/09/09 at 11:59:38)
I'm also a tad disappointed there isn't a DVD included w/the box set. I was so looking forward to seeing the footage Jovanovic talked about in his BS bio. I'd like to say I'm looking forward to the whole box set but quite honestly - now I'm looking forward to disc 4 the most - the rest on disc 1-3 are a mixed bag of material that has circulated and some has not - obviously this should be better sonics (one would think) but as it stands I was looking forward to hearing songs that have either been rumored to exist or songs that had circulated under names that may or may not be correct. For example: 'Another Time Another Place And You' - where is this song and is it a BS song or a Bell solo piece? Also there was rumored to be a song called 'Knoxville' which could've been an instrumental and maybe that was the song 'Another Time Another Place And You'? But the DVD thing - sorta irks me y'know? Logged Every night I tell myself "I am the cosmos"..., am I weird or what? Last modification: Rhett - 06/09/09 at 12:41:25

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #10 on: 06/15/09 at 09:35:39)
on 06/08/09 at 21:09:45, gemmel wrote: I always wondered when somebody was going to release the famous Jan. '73 live show at the Lafayette Room in Memphis. This is the famous show that is discussed in the book by Jovanovic. read quoted post Actually the Rhino site says it's a 'highlights' of 3 sets the band did. So in other words we aren't getting the full show - just some 'best of' 3 sets. I'd rather hear an entire show the way it was not someone's idea of how it should sound. Here's the Rhino quote: *The collection's final disc contains unreleased highlights from three sets Big Star performed at Lafayette's Music Room in Memphis in January 1973. It is the best live recording ever of the band.* Logged Every night I tell myself "I am the cosmos"..., am I weird or what?

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #11 on: 06/21/09 at 17:39:44)
Another sticking point about the box set - it appears there's repeats from Ardent Records Story 2CD. If that's the case then that's too bad - I don't see the point in that. Of course all BS fans bought ARS 2CD - and now we will buy the box set but why the repeats? Also BS fans have already bought Rock City on Lucky Seven - why would the BS box set compilers put that material on here as well? There has to be other alternate tracks and what-not of BS in the vaults they didn't use to take the place of the repeats..... Logged Every night I tell myself "I am the cosmos"..., am I weird or what?

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #12 on: 07/27/09 at 17:48:06)
..and here's something else to ponder... Among the 98 tracks on the box set are the same studio released versions of tracks we already have from #1 Record, Radio City and 3rd Sister Lovers. Why the repeats? I don't get it!?! Logged Every night I tell myself "I am the cosmos"..., am I weird or what?

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #13 on: 09/13/09 at 17:45:52)
the mp3's of the new box set are up on a certain devilish site. Logged Every night I tell myself "I am the cosmos"..., am I weird or what?

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #14 on: 09/13/09 at 22:29:03)
on 06/09/09 at 11:59:38, Rhett wrote: Also there was rumored to be a song called 'Knoxville' read quoted post Turns out Knoxville is just a working title for one of the songs on Radio City. Also, the track labled 'Instrumental' on the What's Going Ahn boot isn't really Big Star. It's Joe Hardy's Out Of Gas Again. Andy plays on it though. Logged

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #15 on: 09/13/09 at 22:30:20)
on 07/27/09 at 17:48:06, Rhett wrote: ..and here's something else to ponder... Among the 98 tracks on the box set are the same studio released versions of tracks we already have from #1 Record, Radio City and 3rd Sister Lovers. Why the repeats? I don't get it!?! read quoted post I think the idea is to "tell the Big Star story" through the 4 discs. I don't have a problem with that. Logged

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #16 on: 09/14/09 at 12:02:49)
on 09/13/09 at 22:30:20, ChrisMoise wrote: I think the idea is to "tell the Big Star story" through the 4 discs. I don't have a problem with that. read quoted post Nothing wrong with telling the story - I just disagree in the way it is being told in this box set. Fans of Big Star will already have the studio cuts - so why make us buy them again in this box set? This box set isn't for the casual music listener who happens to be strolling down the aisle in K-mart and decides he needs a $7.99 Best of Night Ranger CD. Again - why do we as fans have to purchase the studio cuts again (#1 Record, Radio City & Third) included in this box set? Why can't there be other unreleased or alternate takes used in their place? Re-release the studio albums on their own with extra tracks or whatever to encourage us to re-purchase the studio cuts but it was not the best decision that I can see to include them in a $70 box set in which die-hard fans have been wishing for for years. Logged Every night I tell myself "I am the cosmos"..., am I weird or what? Last modification: Rhett - 09/14/09 at 13:02:50

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #17 on: 09/15/09 at 11:23:57)
Regarding the Lafayette Music Room recordings...I went through them when writing my book about Radio City for the 33 1/3 series. There were a total of 36 songs performed over the two nights. Most of the songs were performed twice and I'm sure Rhino decided to take the best take when there were two performances. The songs performed only once were Don't Lie To Me, Hot Burrito #2, I Got Kinda Lost, There Was A Light, ST100/6, Try Again, Watch The Sunrise, and Come On Now (Kinks tune). There was a lot of dead space (band just tuning up, changing instruments etc.) between songs, often running longer than a minute, so it would have been pretty boring to include that all (maybe save it for a Having Fun with Big Star On Stage collection). What's really interesting in listening to the unedited performances is that is literally NO reaction to the band between songs. Maybe one person clapping. Mostly just the sound of glasses clinking and general chatter. You've all heard various people associated with Big Star that no one in Memphis really cared about them. Well, you can really (not) hear it on the tapes. (I won't be getting the box until tomorrow but will report back with my impression of how they put together the live disc.) Regarding the documentary...having spoken with the people involved, my impression is that the lack of live footage (i.e. none) of the band is a big stumbling block. Alex told me when I interviewed him for the book that the only footage he was aware of was a sequence a local news crew shot when the original line-up played a festival near New Orleans. They were the first band on and the crew was eager to get some footage for the evening news and get out. The band was back at their hotel in time to see the clip but given the cost and effort involved in preserving tape, it's almost certainly long gone. Any related questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them. Bruce Eaton Logged Last modification: RCwriter - 09/15/09 at 12:08:09

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #18 on: 09/15/09 at 12:07:33)
Just checked my notes on the live disc recordings and here's the breakdown: Three songs were performed three times: Baby Strange, Back of a Car, When My Baby's..., Way Out West Eight songs were performed twice: 13, India, Slut, O My Soul, My Life Is Right, She's A Mover, In The Street, El Goodo These were performed once: Don't Lie To Me, Got Kinda Lost, Hot Burrito #2, There Was a Light, ST100/6, Try Again, Watch The Sunrise, Come On Now. So unique songs total and all are represented on the live disc. Interesting omission from the sets: Feel (especially given that Alex wrote the bridge). Logged

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	Re: Rhino Boxset (Reply #19 on: 09/15/09 at 12:30:47)
Thanks Bruce for the input on the live 4th disc. I hear what you're saying about the editing job and can understand why they are doing it the way they are. Of course the completest in me wants to hear it all - unaffected. Logged Every night I tell myself "I am the cosmos"..., am I weird or what?

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